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How to Upskill from Core PM to Great AI PM: Masterclass from Pendo CEO Todd Olson
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How to Upskill from Core PM to Great AI PM: Masterclass from Pendo CEO Todd Olson

We have the CEO of a $2.5B PM company here to give you the roadmap to AI PM

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Today’s Episode

AI PM jobs pay 30-40% more than regular PM jobs.

But here’s the problem: You can’t just slap “AI PM” on your resume.

Todd Olson has spent 28 years in product management and now is founder & CEO of Pendo, the $2.5B product management platform working with everyone from American Cancer Society to Zendesk.

He not only hires AI PMs, but advises product teams all over the world on AI PM.

In today’s episode, he drops all the knowledge you need to upskill to AI PM and get that pay bump:

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Today’s guide covers:

  1. The Foundation: What Every AI PM Must Know

  2. The Middle Layers: Where PMs Add the Most Value

  3. The Top Layers of AI PM: Strategy and Stakeholder Management


1. The Foundation: What Every AI PM Must Know

1a. AI Fundamentals

Make sure you can speak wisely to:

  1. Model Selection: When do you use GPT-4 vs. GPT-3.5? When do you use Anthropic’s Claude vs. OpenAI? When do you use Gemini?

  2. Token Economics: Understand the cost implications of different models and context windows

  3. Open Source vs. Closed: Know when to use open-source models (Queen from Alibaba) vs. closed models (OpenAI, Anthropic)

1b. Data Pipelines

Most PMs don’t think they need to understand data pipelines. They’re wrong.

RAG (Retrieval Augmented Generation) is the de facto way to build AI features now. Understand it:

  1. You ingest data

  2. Create embeddings from that content

  3. Feed embeddings into a vector database

  4. When someone asks a question, you look up relevant context

  5. Pass that context to the LLM to answer

1c. Prompt Engineering

The internet is flooded with “killer prompt frameworks.” But prompt engineering actually matters. It’s like knowing how to use Google Search effectively.

The context + instruction equation:

  1. Better context = Better responses

  2. Better instructions = Better responses

  3. Better prompts = Better responses


2. The Middle Layers: Where PMs Add the Value

2a. Trace Analysis & Debugging

You should understand how AI agents call other agents and tools, watching what gets passed between them, and debugging where things break down.

But this is a sensitive area. Don’t overstep into engineering’s responsibility.

2b. Cost and Performance Optimization

How you build systems affects your cost of goods sold (COGS), which affects your gross margin, which affects the success of your business. Use a 2-phase approach:

  1. Phase 1: Optimize for speed and innovation. Overspend on infrastructure. Get to market fast.

  2. Phase 2: Find efficiencies. Rearchitect systems. Optimize costs.

2c. Evals

Unlike trace analysis or production monitoring, evals are where the PM is the expert.

What evals are: Testing different versions of your AI feature (different prompts, different models, different fine-tuning) to see which performs best.

Why PMs own this: You understand the user. You understand what the business needs. Engineers don’t have that context.


3. The Top of the Pyramid: Strategy and Managing Stakeholders

3a. AI Product Roadmapping

You have to avoid shiny object syndrome. Ask yourself, “Are we gonna do a much better job than ChatGPT out of the box?”

If not, why are you just wrapping ChatGPT and slapping a logo on it?

3b. Stakeholder Management

Todd gave a masterclass in managing boards and other stakeholders:

  1. Bring topics for discussion: Don’t just look for approval. Use board members to see what they’re seeing across other companies.

  2. Share the “why”: If you researched something and decided against it, explain what you found and why.

  3. Align to business objectives: Think deeply about how each bet drives shareholder value.

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  3. How to Become, and Succeed as, an AI PM | The Marily Nika Episode

Newsletters:

  1. How to Become an AI Product Manager with No Experience

  2. How to Write a Killer AI Product Manager Resume

  3. The Complete AI PM Certification


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