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Today’s Episode
What actually happens after you get laid off from a big tech PM role?
In this episode, Dr. Bart Jaworski, ex-Microsoft PM turned creator with 125K+ followers , shares the raw story:
How he landed a new job within weeks after his layoff
How to build a great PM resume (with live reviews of real resumes)
What most PMs get wrong in interviews (and how to actually stand out)
A walkthrough of how he builds his content with screen-share
Honestly, it’s part career therapy, part tactical masterclass and one of the most honest conversations we’ve had.
If you’re a PM navigating change, growth, or your next role, this one’s a must-listen!
Some of My Favorite Takeaways
1. Microsoft Looks Great on LinkedIn But Not Always in Real Life
He got hired at Microsoft after being scouted on LinkedIn, every PM’s dream, right?
But once inside, reality set in: 80% meetings, low ownership, and endless coordination.
Big tech can look glamorous from the outside, but on the inside, it’s often a maze of bureaucracy.
If you care about ownership, freedom, and actual product work, big tech might not be the answer.
2. Here’s How To Bounce Back After Getting Laid Off
He was a high-performing PM. Then a row in an Excel sheet.
Just a cold termination email after months of remote work.
He didn’t spiral. He booked a flight to New York, healed, and reflected on the situation.
Then went back to basics: strong reputation, past relationships, and execution.
He landed a new job in weeks.
The lesson? You can always bounce back if you’re “someone” people want back in the room.
Strive to become that person every single and you’ll survive any market, any AI apocalypse, etc.
3. Your Resume is a Pitch Deck, Not a Diary!
In the podcast, he reviewed resumes live and called out what almost everyone misses:
Generic summaries that say nothing
Bullet points that sound like job descriptions
Zero proof of outcomes
The best resumes?
Tell a story.
Show your thinking.
Make the recruiter want to talk to you now.
Remember, you're not just “showing experience.”
You're selling clarity, judgment, and value BETTER than anyone else.
4. Why PMs Fail At Interviews (And How To Nail Them)
Most PMs bomb interviews not because they don’t know enough.
But because they “perform” instead of “think”
Here’s what he’s seen:
→ Over-rehearsed frameworks. Buzzword-heavy answers. Vague stories with zero data
What actually works?
→ Talk like a real human. Proving your competency. Telling stories that matter.
In his Microsoft interview, they asked about APIs he barely used.
But he still passed by reasoning through it live.
So stop studying frameworks. Start proving you’ve done the work.
5. From Layoff to 125K Followers — One Post, One Meme, One Hook at a time.
He didn’t blow up overnight.
He treated content like a product - tested, refined, and scaled it.
He manually shared posts to get early traction.
Wrote hooks that stopped the scroll.
Designed memes with a purpose.
And studied what worked like a growth funnel.
No shortcuts. No secret hacks. Just a system that compounded.
Now? He gets paid to post what he once gave away for free.
This is why I keep encouraging you to take LinkedIn seriously and start posting content!
Where to Find Dr. Bart
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Cheers,
Aakash
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